Orin Kerr at the Volokh Conspiracy gives his thoughts on whether engineering makes a good pre-law degree. I do find it interesting that he spends a lot of time cautioning that the engineering mindset is a lot different from the legal mindset. The goal of the former is "is to understand how the world works so we can design useful tools that help manipulate it," while the latter is a fuzzy interpretation of a bunch of man-made rules and history.
I think this is exactly right. When I first started getting involved in law and technology, at PGP, I (and a lot of other engineers there) took the view that the law was a clearly codified algorithm, essentially, and that one could very carefully navigate one's way through it. PGP, quite helpfully, offered a one-day offsite for any engineers who wanted to get an overview about encryption law, and it was very eye-opening for me to realize, in fact, how fuzzy the law can be.
I think this is why engineers tend to be prone to falling for crazy legal theories. For example, there's a number of ideas out there explaining how, precisely, the Federal government does not actually have the power to collect income taxes. One of them is that the Sixteenth Amendment to the US constitution was not properly ratified - that the ratifying states ratified slightly different (punctuation, spelling and capitalization) versions, or that not enough states properly voted to ratify. There are others that turn on similar theories. What the engineering mind tends to fail to grasp is that, even if these are true, they're irrelevant. There is now more than ninety years of established precedent that the Federal government has the power to take as much of your income as they want. And no small judicial "gotcha" is going to change that.
Engineers - especially software engineers - are used to analyzing complex systems and finding the one place that they can poke to achieve maximum change. We spend all day suffering under the constraints of the systems we work with, and figuring out ways around those constraints. There is certainly some place for that sort of creative thinking in law - witness the California "off-list lower" revolt of the past couple of years. Engineers need to remember, though, that in law, precedent and tradition mean as much (or more) as the literal words in the law.
Comments (3)
Brett,
You'd be surprised how much legal thought used to be more in line with physics/natural philosophy. People used to claim the law was something that exists out there "in the ether" so to speak. A good example is the Declaration's "inalienable rights." Where does a right to life come from? We still think we get rights by virtue of being human, so the idea of a unified theory of law is still lurking around.
Anyway, I just saw a comment you made on Dr. Steve Novella's blog and wondered if it was the Brett Thomas I knew, and sure enough... so, I look forward to reading more of your blog.
Vince
Posted by vincegamer
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June 8, 2007 7:39 AM
Posted on June 8, 2007 07:39
Hey, Vince! Sorry for the slow comment moderation - I was out of town when you posted and I forgot to look when I got back, for new ones.
I actually think it's very important that we keep around an idea of "natural rights" - it's been the trend in the past century or so to forget that our rights aren't just limited to the specifically enumerated ones, and that the rights aren't granted by the enumeration, but existed, previously.
Posted by Brett A. Thomas
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July 7, 2007 8:23 AM
Posted on July 7, 2007 08:23
Good point.
But where is the end to natural rights?
Do we have a natural right to do anything we wish? Is the restriction only based on compact for the greater good? (e.g. I have a right to hunt bald eagles but I agree not to for the sake of the species as national symbol. Same with right to rape but by compact I don't because our society is safer if I don't? Or does the right of another to personal safety mean I don't have a right to harm that other?)
Posted by vincegamer
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July 19, 2007 1:01 PM
Posted on July 19, 2007 13:01